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		<title>Comment on  by Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believed the image on the left is that of Eolo&#039;s. For me (I am dubbed as professional too) the difference is stark between the two. There are elements in the image on the left that indicate to me that the photographer used his light with purpose, while with the image on the right I don&#039;t see the same proficiency.

Perhaps it is just me, but I&#039;ve spent a great deal of time trying to educate myself with portrait lighting, posing etc over the years that I feel I can discern between the two images.

A professional photographer is always going to be a debatable definition. Is it when you get paid for your work? Is it when you&#039;re full time? Is it when you&#039;ve won awards given to you by other professionals? I believe that qualifying as a professional means having your work qualified by not one, not two, but a number of established professionals in the industry. Anyone can take a photo of a dog and sell it for $2 to the owner. They only need be mediocre to achieve that - and that certainly doesn&#039;t qualify you as professional. At the same time you could get lucky at a competition and have established photographers award your image once but that also doesn&#039;t qualify you. I think if you produce consistent work, preferrably paid as that seems to add some credibility, that is regarded by your peers (other professionals) then you would qualify.

Just my 2 cents,

Wil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believed the image on the left is that of Eolo&#8217;s. For me (I am dubbed as professional too) the difference is stark between the two. There are elements in the image on the left that indicate to me that the photographer used his light with purpose, while with the image on the right I don&#8217;t see the same proficiency.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is just me, but I&#8217;ve spent a great deal of time trying to educate myself with portrait lighting, posing etc over the years that I feel I can discern between the two images.</p>
<p>A professional photographer is always going to be a debatable definition. Is it when you get paid for your work? Is it when you&#8217;re full time? Is it when you&#8217;ve won awards given to you by other professionals? I believe that qualifying as a professional means having your work qualified by not one, not two, but a number of established professionals in the industry. Anyone can take a photo of a dog and sell it for $2 to the owner. They only need be mediocre to achieve that &#8211; and that certainly doesn&#8217;t qualify you as professional. At the same time you could get lucky at a competition and have established photographers award your image once but that also doesn&#8217;t qualify you. I think if you produce consistent work, preferrably paid as that seems to add some credibility, that is regarded by your peers (other professionals) then you would qualify.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents,</p>
<p>Wil</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another Blogging Assignment Option by jay river</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you enjoy Edward S. Curtis&#039;s work, you will surely want to see The Indian Picture Opera. This is a remake of a Curtis 1911 slide show and lecture on DVD. I found it on Amazon. Its about an hour long, and an amazing documentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you enjoy Edward S. Curtis&#8217;s work, you will surely want to see The Indian Picture Opera. This is a remake of a Curtis 1911 slide show and lecture on DVD. I found it on Amazon. Its about an hour long, and an amazing documentary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Walking the Line by tmorg</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, I think that is a great photograph to convey your ideas on the subject that Calvino discusses. I feel that the line between the reality of beauty and photography is very difficult to establish because beauty is subjective.  Sometimes i do wonder if objects or people sometimes become beautiful because they are photographed. Using the picture you posted as an example, im sure that if I were standing at those houses in person, i would have difficulty seeing the beauty in them but i have no doubt now that the photograph is a beautiful photograph. However, maybe to the photographer the houses seemed beautiful to him when he was standing there in person. I definitely agree with you that this topic does prove that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, I think that is a great photograph to convey your ideas on the subject that Calvino discusses. I feel that the line between the reality of beauty and photography is very difficult to establish because beauty is subjective.  Sometimes i do wonder if objects or people sometimes become beautiful because they are photographed. Using the picture you posted as an example, im sure that if I were standing at those houses in person, i would have difficulty seeing the beauty in them but i have no doubt now that the photograph is a beautiful photograph. However, maybe to the photographer the houses seemed beautiful to him when he was standing there in person. I definitely agree with you that this topic does prove that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forgotten Summer by tmorg</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callie, I completely agree with the points that you brought up in your post. I too had a great summer with all of my friends but also had no pictures to remind me of the great times i had with them. Like you, I was upset that I didnt have any pictures to show for my great summer. However I wasn&#039;t worried that I would forget the experiences I had over summer, I was just bummed that I didn&#039;t have any pictures to reflect on becasue I felt that visual representation could stimulate more memories and emotions that I had of the summer.  However the more I thought about it, i came to the same conclusion as you did. My memories of summer are all i have and that makes them more special to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callie, I completely agree with the points that you brought up in your post. I too had a great summer with all of my friends but also had no pictures to remind me of the great times i had with them. Like you, I was upset that I didnt have any pictures to show for my great summer. However I wasn&#8217;t worried that I would forget the experiences I had over summer, I was just bummed that I didn&#8217;t have any pictures to reflect on becasue I felt that visual representation could stimulate more memories and emotions that I had of the summer.  However the more I thought about it, i came to the same conclusion as you did. My memories of summer are all i have and that makes them more special to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forgotten Summer by annie3</title>
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		<dc:creator>annie3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callie, I really enjoyed reading your post.  I agree with you that it seems like if we don&#039;t have pictures to view and remember the particulars by then we loose out.  However, it must have been refreshing when you felt that without pictures, your memory of your summer was unique to you because there weren&#039;t photographs to intrude upon your current memories.  It&#039;s best not to &quot;kill&quot; too many moments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callie, I really enjoyed reading your post.  I agree with you that it seems like if we don&#8217;t have pictures to view and remember the particulars by then we loose out.  However, it must have been refreshing when you felt that without pictures, your memory of your summer was unique to you because there weren&#8217;t photographs to intrude upon your current memories.  It&#8217;s best not to &#8220;kill&#8221; too many moments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Confession: I Killed a Man by clynch13</title>
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		<dc:creator>clynch13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like how you put your own personal experience into this post so I actually did the same thing on mine.  I liked how you related to the feelings of the author and I also thought the title of the post was really intriguing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like how you put your own personal experience into this post so I actually did the same thing on mine.  I liked how you related to the feelings of the author and I also thought the title of the post was really intriguing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on  by sharp88</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharp88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like the main point of this post is that a photograph can never be re-created in exact fashion. To this point, I agree wholeheartedly. To give an example of my own, if guests at a wedding were asked to pose for two wedding photos, there would likely be some deviation in the way guests posed, perhaps with facial expression or body language. This difference wouldn&#039;t be significant, but that&#039;s not the point. The point is that there would be some deviation. 

However, I do have to differ with you about the author&#039;s qualification. I think it could be beneficial to have a non-photographer writing about photography. After all, most photography is meant to be viewed by the majority of us who don&#039;t engage, either professionally or in an amateur role, in photography. Therefore, this sort of writer could explain photography in a way the average person can better relate to. Barthes success in being down-to-earth is questionable, especially with the introduction of many esoteric terms, such as &quot;punctum,&quot; &quot;studium,&quot; &quot;spectrum,&quot; and &quot;eidolon.&quot; Also, a writer with little or no photographic experience offers independence. One boon of this is that the writer won&#039;t be biased in favor of their particular style or method of photography. In otherwords, they will be more willing to look at multiple styles of photography in a circumspect manner. 

Finally, I would hazard that the photograph of the woman on the left, with fingers touching the lower lip, is the &quot;professional&quot; photograph, while the picture on the right is the &quot;amateur photograph.&quot; Am I right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like the main point of this post is that a photograph can never be re-created in exact fashion. To this point, I agree wholeheartedly. To give an example of my own, if guests at a wedding were asked to pose for two wedding photos, there would likely be some deviation in the way guests posed, perhaps with facial expression or body language. This difference wouldn&#8217;t be significant, but that&#8217;s not the point. The point is that there would be some deviation. </p>
<p>However, I do have to differ with you about the author&#8217;s qualification. I think it could be beneficial to have a non-photographer writing about photography. After all, most photography is meant to be viewed by the majority of us who don&#8217;t engage, either professionally or in an amateur role, in photography. Therefore, this sort of writer could explain photography in a way the average person can better relate to. Barthes success in being down-to-earth is questionable, especially with the introduction of many esoteric terms, such as &#8220;punctum,&#8221; &#8220;studium,&#8221; &#8220;spectrum,&#8221; and &#8220;eidolon.&#8221; Also, a writer with little or no photographic experience offers independence. One boon of this is that the writer won&#8217;t be biased in favor of their particular style or method of photography. In otherwords, they will be more willing to look at multiple styles of photography in a circumspect manner. </p>
<p>Finally, I would hazard that the photograph of the woman on the left, with fingers touching the lower lip, is the &#8220;professional&#8221; photograph, while the picture on the right is the &#8220;amateur photograph.&#8221; Am I right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Love and the Lens by mkg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mkg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a powerful post, Andy.  We&#039;ll be talking about Barthes&#039;s concept of the studium and the punctum in class tomorrow, but I think that you&#039;re exactly right that Barthes&#039;s exploration of photography emerges from the realm of personal experience.  One of the things we&#039;ll want to consider is how that grounding in individual, idiosyncratic experience suggests an alternative to traditional interpretations of photography, which have often emphasized the universal, transcendent aspects of the medium.  It&#039;s a tension worth exploring and thinking about on several different levels.  This is a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a powerful post, Andy.  We&#8217;ll be talking about Barthes&#8217;s concept of the studium and the punctum in class tomorrow, but I think that you&#8217;re exactly right that Barthes&#8217;s exploration of photography emerges from the realm of personal experience.  One of the things we&#8217;ll want to consider is how that grounding in individual, idiosyncratic experience suggests an alternative to traditional interpretations of photography, which have often emphasized the universal, transcendent aspects of the medium.  It&#8217;s a tension worth exploring and thinking about on several different levels.  This is a good start.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Triggered Memory by kkb1123</title>
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		<dc:creator>kkb1123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ask, &quot;Will we get to the point that we no longer believe something happened unless there is a picture of it in front of us?&quot;  Frankly, no, I don&#039;t think so.  But a photograph can provide the viewer with a direct, physical link to that captured experience, which can be comforting. For example, my great-grandmother will never leave Japan to see where I live and study in Philadelphia, but I can send her a picture of me on Broad Street and she has a much more vivid idea than her aging imagination could provide her.

I agree with your point that it is important for one to experience a moment first-hand without using a camera as crutch for the memory and imagination.  However, there is value in using photographs for just that reason, as our memories are, unfortunately, capricious; our imaginations are often inadequate when it comes to re-creating or simply creating an experience-- and photographs are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ask, &#8220;Will we get to the point that we no longer believe something happened unless there is a picture of it in front of us?&#8221;  Frankly, no, I don&#8217;t think so.  But a photograph can provide the viewer with a direct, physical link to that captured experience, which can be comforting. For example, my great-grandmother will never leave Japan to see where I live and study in Philadelphia, but I can send her a picture of me on Broad Street and she has a much more vivid idea than her aging imagination could provide her.</p>
<p>I agree with your point that it is important for one to experience a moment first-hand without using a camera as crutch for the memory and imagination.  However, there is value in using photographs for just that reason, as our memories are, unfortunately, capricious; our imaginations are often inadequate when it comes to re-creating or simply creating an experience&#8211; and photographs are not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Double Exposure by eparks</title>
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		<dc:creator>eparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s really interesting that you picked that quote and photo to go together, although your conclusion definitely shows that there is a connection between the two not initially evident. The photo does represent the &quot;photographability&quot; (though I doubt that&#039;s a word) of life, showing the beginning and end, yet excluding the middle.

The strange thingis, as I was scrolling down the page, that photograph caught my attention for a completely different reason. It made me think of Part II in Barthes when he is examining old photographs of his mother, ranging from her 5-year-old self -- which he considers to have captured her better than any recent shot -- to her just before her death, surrounded by his friends. I think the above photograph parallels that instance as well. 

It&#039;s amazing how many connotations can be associated with one photograph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s really interesting that you picked that quote and photo to go together, although your conclusion definitely shows that there is a connection between the two not initially evident. The photo does represent the &#8220;photographability&#8221; (though I doubt that&#8217;s a word) of life, showing the beginning and end, yet excluding the middle.</p>
<p>The strange thingis, as I was scrolling down the page, that photograph caught my attention for a completely different reason. It made me think of Part II in Barthes when he is examining old photographs of his mother, ranging from her 5-year-old self &#8212; which he considers to have captured her better than any recent shot &#8212; to her just before her death, surrounded by his friends. I think the above photograph parallels that instance as well. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how many connotations can be associated with one photograph.</p>
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